Curse

refused · Apr 18, 2006, 05:19 PM // 17:19

I know this has most likely been posted on here before, but I remember a year ago when I started playing and remember hearing that the expansions would be cheaper, but they apparently put in more effort and made it stand-alone as I read in the faq. I honestly don't mind and could care less about money. I went ahead and preordered the game yesterday even though I haven't played since June 2005. I beat the game by May, but I deleted all my characters and have them as placeholders and plan to go through both continents and beat everything and actually indulge in the content I missed out on, which is A LOT. I really don't think this whole ordeal is a big deal at all. Just a small amount of money and I don't even have a job yet. From what I see and what they are offering is excellent. Hell, even if the game isn't worth stand-alone price, I'll just shrug off the extra $20 as for something they earned. I just love to play games, especially MMORPG's, but I'll never pay monthy for a game, which is why I have such a high regard for GW. I don't see waiting as a problem, but personally, I'm just eager to jump in the new continent and experience the uniqueness all over again.

Now I am a PvE person by heart, but when I joined a guild that did PvP, it was intense by far. I really love it and the balances are just something people will have to adjust to and so far it sounds like a challange, and I am all about challanges.

I think the sales will be fine to be honest. Somehow I don't think Guild Wars will be letting up anytime soon.

P.S. I'm not a rich person at all as that sort of sounds like I don't give much value to money, which I do to a resonable extent.

I am joining the Luxons as for I see a massive influx over in the Kurzicks area which doesn't appeal to me at all. I kind of like the freespirited Luxons anyways.

WasAGuest · Apr 18, 2006, 05:21 PM // 17:21

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Originally Posted by MSecorsky

It's true, they did show off the 12v12 quite nicely, but did you actually do the quests in the PvE portion? How about the competitive missions? I know the missions that blend PvE and PvP won't appeal to all, but this PvEr had a blast. I found personally that some people focusing on the other players allowed me to be more PvE-ish and work on the objectives. As for the quests... the baby turtle escort was one of the best quests I've done in a GW game! Fast-paced controlled chaos. Ah, I miss those turtles...

Yea, I did as many PvE quests as I could find as quickly as I could find. Thom called me on the "speed rush" once before, and he was right about my rushing through. However, what I had my eyes set on and what I enjoy is not the interim quests, it's the Missions. The Missions (IMO) are the most fun part of the game. Those same missions I was looking for ended up being Jade Quarry, the Competitive Missions. I did try it, got cursed at, screamed at... I dropped several times cause I'm not into abuse for fun. My play style and what I find fun in the game seriously did not mesh with Factions.
I did enjoy those Oni though. I finally got to play as a Monk in the FPE and those things had me for dinner. hehe

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Originally Posted by MSecorsky

Not an attempt at criticism, but it feels to me personally that you may have missed some of the things that were offered and that at least a portion of your subconscience feels like what you experienced is "it".

No criticism taken and I admit (and have done so many a time) I did miss some things. In my rush to gain faction points so I could see the actual Co-op missions, I missed quite a bit. And this is where the execution of the game doesn't agree with me and many others. The faction point farming needed to access the content we want for example.

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Originally Posted by MSecorsky

If I could recommend... well hell, who can stop me, it's a web page, right? (Sorry... ) Perhaps hold off a month or so and see what the initial reviews look like rather than completely dismiss the chapter.

Excellent advise and I would say it would be wise for anyone to follow. My problem was (is) there is several other games I want (Oblivion was one, NWN2 later) and I have a "game" budget. /cough Wife stole the pants years ago /cough With the limited budget and the "unsure" about Factions I went ahead and bought something else. Currently, as it stands, I still wouldn't buy Factions unless, as I said before, the execution of the game is changed.

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Originally Posted by MSecorsky

Personally, I'll be diving into the Jade Sea head-first (how's that for a visual?) and will of course be sharing experiences, as will many others.

I have this image of you now with a flat head talking in front of us all... lol - anyway, good stuff here, I'll be following and watching for changes. If I like what I see then you bet I'll be getting it come December, if not, then Chapter 3 will be out by then... and if that one stinks... well, NWN2... If only I was rich... /sigh

dargon · Apr 18, 2006, 05:31 PM // 17:31

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Originally Posted by refused

I know this has most likely been posted on here before, but I remember a year ago when I started playing and remember hearing that the expansions would be cheaper, but they apparently put in more effort and made it stand-alone as I read in the faq. I honestly don't mind and could care less about money.

Not sure what you read or whom you may have heard that from, but since Ch1 was released they have always said that "expansions will have atleast as much content as the original, and be priced accordingly", never that they would be cheaper, etc. I suspect that a lot of people read that as "expansions will be priced accordingly" and assumed that the typical expansion (read +4-8 more hours of fun over the original) would have a typical expansion price. ANet is not typical and iMO, not out to rip the money from your wallet at every opportunity.

refused · Apr 18, 2006, 05:35 PM // 17:35

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Originally Posted by dargon

Not sure what you read or whom you may have heard that from, but since Ch1 was released they have always said that "expansions will have atleast as much content as the original, and be priced accordingly", never that they would be cheaper, etc. I suspect that a lot of people read that as "expansions will be priced accordingly" and assumed that the typical expansion (read +4-8 more hours of fun over the original) would have a typical expansion price. ANet is not typical and iMO, not out to rip the money from your wallet at every opportunity.

Oh, ok. Thanks for the heads up, I didn't even know that. I just thought this was some sort of exception.

Loviatar · Apr 18, 2006, 05:35 PM // 17:35

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Originally Posted by Vilaptca

You DON'T know what we are getting. You can only guess.
Vilaptca

preordered the CE on simple faith i will find at least a quarter of the fun chapter 1 has (and is still) given.

even a complete washout prorated is an extreme bargain.

if they stumble on a chapter i want my purchase to fund the next in progress to see what happens.

MSecorsky · Apr 18, 2006, 05:42 PM // 17:42

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Originally Posted by WasAGuest

I have this image of you now with a flat head talking in front of us all... lol - anyway, good stuff here, I'll be following and watching for changes. If I like what I see then you bet I'll be getting it come December, if not, then Chapter 3 will be out by then... and if that one stinks... well, NWN2... If only I was rich... /sigh

One more thing you may consider... you can get the preorder key for $5.00 in many cases... that would give you two days of getting the feel for the real Cantha for short money. Odds are, that would be enough to verify/alleviate any concerns you have. Plus, you might pick up a few skills to take home to Tyria!

Omega X · Apr 18, 2006, 07:18 PM // 19:18

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Originally Posted by Snowman

The question has to be asked, why? what concern is it to you?

Every post I've read in this past month regarding factions, from you Omega, has been very negative!

You have activly been looking for negative feedback and continually posting replys and threads about the impending doom of factions, how all your "sources" arnt going to buy it, and why its going to be a complete failier!

Are you deliberatly trying to put people off buying factions for some reason? is there another game you would rather us all buy?

Let me tell you, I have played Guildwars for over 12 months, with the enjoyment I've had from Guildwars and the fortune I've saved myself in on-line fee's, I DONT CARE what you, your friends or any of MY friends think.. buying Factions is a No-brainer for ANYONE who has played Guildwars for ANY length of time.

Sure there are people less well off who may wait a bit longer for the price to come down and maybe it wont be breaking any records, but what the hell does it matter?

What are you so afraid of?

#1. I am NOT trying to convince anyone NOT to buy Factions. People are free to buy what they please.

#2. The Sources are the people here and in game. You are one of them just now by voicing your thoughts.

#3. You don't care what anyone thinks what you buy and that's ok. But I'm sure Anet does.

Heh...you don't know me and I didn't post much of any "impending doom" comments. I only voiced my opinion and concern.

I am looking for answers to whether or not to buy the game in addition to figure out what is everyone elses decision to buy the game other than "because its Guild Wars and a no brainer for people who played the first one". I am not into the habit of buying coasters. AND the vibes from Factions are too erradic to make a decision on my own currently. If this was an expansion, I wouldn't be asking the questions. In fact it would be a very clear "no brainer" but its not according to the people who made it, so the rules change. When Factions was announced, I was all for it actually. But as the information started to trickle down the grapevine, I just started thinking more objectively instead of simply being blinded by a new release. I want Guild Wars to succed at what it does just as much as anyone. But it doesn't happen when a lot of voices goes unheard for much needed improvements and options. So the thread serves more than one purpose actually.

So my question to you is...IF you don't care then why try to attack me? Why try to stop discussion on a discussion board about the proper topic in the proper area? If people thought that this was just another stupid thread discussing nothing, why is it 5+ pages long with responses? I mean, if you feel that it doesn't affect or concern you then why go through all of the effort to make me the bad guy for asking questions?

Fred Kiwi · Apr 18, 2006, 09:54 PM // 21:54

im definately going to wait, im going to see the impression people post on the forums about the feel of it all, i really hope that they don't have all those crappy quests, and they better have less monsters per square inch.

twicky_kid · Apr 18, 2006, 10:05 PM // 22:05

I can't believe people are that concerned about $50.

I spent more than that for dinner last night. Even if you save $10 a week you can buy factions within a month of savings. If you bought a $1 soda everyday at work or school that's $30 a month you just spent. I don't think the cost of the game should even be an issue. I'm not rich by no means and find ways to cut corners to fit my budgeting needs.

With my 2000+ hours plus in game time that cost me $0.025 per hour. Better than that $15-20 per month I would have payed for other games that I feel are less quality.

The game will be good. They gave us a free preview of basicly the entire game upfront so you know what you are getting. They could have just kept everything for release. That would have gotton them more sales in the end since these type of arguments wouldn't have happened.

The game industry is really shitty atm. Comp games are stalling release because of console games. Most will be switching over after ps3 and 360 releases. Both are basicly high end computers. Expect to see less comp games after they take root. Console games are crap because everything is being focused on next gen.

I really don't see anything else to spend my $50 on. Except maybe 16 gallons of gas.

Exoudeous · Apr 18, 2006, 10:18 PM // 22:18

People that are complaing about it being 50 bucks are just doing it so tehy have something to complain about.

so its 50 dollars, how is that a big diffrence from 40. wow 10 bucks, you cant buy squat with 10 bucks.

also considering people have been playing this game for a year without spending a penny since their first purchase of the game. money form the game is the only way anet is able to keep the game free. and considering they do upates then past mmos that I payed a montly fee for, I say they deserve every penny for the work they do.

also I want to support the type of game they are doing, If this game keeps doing well, there may be other online rpgs that have free online.

Loviatar · Apr 18, 2006, 11:15 PM // 23:15

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Originally Posted by Exoudeous

wow 10 bucks, you cant buy squat with 10 bucks.
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10 bucks used to get me all the following for 10 bucks
full tank of 102 octane (15+ gallons)
a double feature at the drive-in
lots of snacks,
with change left over.

that is all of them not any of them
today?

dargon · Apr 18, 2006, 11:33 PM // 23:33

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

10 bucks used to get me all the following for 10 bucks
full tank of 102 octane (15+ gallons)
a double feature at the drive-in
lots of snacks,
with change left over.

that is all of them not any of them
today?

today you get 3 gallons of premium gas and a can of pop with a small amount of change left over

Omega X · Apr 19, 2006, 12:23 AM // 00:23

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Originally Posted by twicky_kid

I can't believe people are that concerned about $50.

I spent more than that for dinner last night. Even if you save $10 a week you can buy factions within a month of savings. If you bought a $1 soda everyday at work or school that's $30 a month you just spent. I don't think the cost of the game should even be an issue. I'm not rich by no means and find ways to cut corners to fit my budgeting needs.

With my 2000+ hours plus in game time that cost me $0.025 per hour. Better than that $15-20 per month I would have payed for other games that I feel are less quality.

The game will be good. They gave us a free preview of basicly the entire game upfront so you know what you are getting. They could have just kept everything for release. That would have gotton them more sales in the end since these type of arguments wouldn't have happened.

The game industry is really shitty atm. Comp games are stalling release because of console games. Most will be switching over after ps3 and 360 releases. Both are basicly high end computers. Expect to see less comp games after they take root. Console games are crap because everything is being focused on next gen.

I really don't see anything else to spend my $50 on. Except maybe 16 gallons of gas.

That is extremely ignorant. People can do plenty with $50 bucks. AND the entire gaming industry doesn't suck. Otherwise computer games would still be wastes of time instead of a past time.

sleepin4lyf · Apr 19, 2006, 12:41 AM // 00:41

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Originally Posted by Vermilion Okeanos

Why do people keep saying "for PvP only"?

It should be quite obvious by now that, the more people you have in your alliance, the higher chance of you holding city for elite missions.

Nothing to do with elite skills or anything. If EvIL don't get couple hundreds of members like XoO, they can't even come close to compete with XoO in holding a city.

There are also faction quests that is repeatable, and give you as much faction as the PvP in about the same amount of time. Only that it is boring and tedious (to me), but garuntee 500 factions everytime.

It is all about numbers, unfortunately. Let's see who got the most skill in advertising their guild to get members.

there's going to be a maximum number of people allowed in the elite missions. if they let everybody that wanted to fight in these things their servers would literally blow up. think about it.

Terminal · Apr 19, 2006, 01:13 AM // 01:13

This response will likely be lost in the sea of reply, but I'll endeavor to comment my 2 cents worth anyways.

I have (like some other here) played every major MMO to come out in the last 5 years. I shall refrain from listing them all since it sounds too much like appointing oneself with credentials so as to make one's opinion sound more viable than it actually might be.

Saying that, I am a ArenaNet and NCSoft fan. Nobody else comes close to their brilliant implementation of game mechanics across all major developers, sans Blizzard. And it shows in their market share.

I love GuildWars. It is a breath of fresh air in the "same-old" cycle of horrifically imbalanced classes, poor mechanics and gameplay which most other companies implement in their games.

I would have paid $ 15 a month gladly to play this game. And I will gladly pay the full retail price of the expansion, even though I might not be able to play till as late as December on account of a 8-month internship i will be embarking on from this summer.

Also, in addenum, if you notice, NCSoft, ANet's parent company doesn't charge for it's expansions, at least not in Lineage 2, which has a mammoth subscription base, even though other companies do. Reason ? It funds it's free expansions through the monthly fee of playing. So how does GW fund it's expansions since it doesn't have a monthly fee attached ? Through the revenue from expansions.

Even I don't think that ANet will sell 1 million+ copies of Factions like they did with Prophecies. But I will be glad to hear of it of they do. May ANet make many millions $ from Factions.

GW is a superb game and I'll be showing my support by buying factions.

Mind you, i'm not in a guild and won't be joining one. So some of the content will not be available to me. But I know i'll still love it.

Teet · Apr 19, 2006, 01:36 AM // 01:36

I love Guild Wars!!!

Yuo Can Do It! · Apr 19, 2006, 01:44 AM // 01:44

2 reasons it's worth the 50$:

1. It's considered as a standalone game AND an expansion. It's both.
2. You don't have to pay 15$ a month for Guild Wars like you do with WoW. I would, for one, like to pay 50$ around every 6-8 months than 15$ each month PLUS money for expansions to keep playing and expanding Guild Wars.

Intera · Apr 19, 2006, 02:46 AM // 02:46

Don't forget guys that EB does its 7 day returns policy for any reason and you can get all your money back.

So if you're unsure about the purchase you could just return it.

N.B. I sound like an EB Salesman...but I'm not, just trying to help.

Omega X · Apr 19, 2006, 03:13 AM // 03:13

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Originally Posted by Intera

Don't forget guys that EB does its 7 day returns policy for any reason and you can get all your money back.

So if you're unsure about the purchase you could just return it.

N.B. I sound like an EB Salesman...but I'm not, just trying to help.

That's only for console games last time I heard. I tried doing that with a PC game a while back and they refused to take it back simply because the seal was broken. (Or was that Game Stop...either way, they are the same company now.)

Intera · Apr 19, 2006, 03:33 AM // 03:33

Well in Australia I believe you can have 7 days, or it might even be 14 days now at EB. But do check before going and buying it on my word.